In Hollywood, the editor is the invisible architect — the craftsman who shapes raw footage into emotional experience. Paul Hirsch has been doing it for over 50 years. Academy Award winner. Saturn Award winner (twice). The man behind the edit on Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, Carrie, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Mission: Impossible, and more than 40 feature films. He sat down with Atif for Zebra Spotlight Episode 17 to talk craft, collaboration, George Lucas, and why he never watches his own films.
Who Is Paul Hirsch?
Paul Hirsch graduated from Columbia University in 1966 and built his career from the cutting rooms of New York. His introduction to filmmaker Brian De Palma — through his brother — sparked a collaboration that would span 11 feature films, including the iconic Blowout. But it was his work on a galaxy far, far away that would define him for generations.
In 1978, Hirsch won the Academy Award for Best Film Editing for Star Wars. He also holds the distinction of being the first person to win the Saturn Award for Best Editing — and the first to win it twice, first for Star Wars (1977) and again for Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol (2011).
His memoir, A Long Time Ago In A Cutting Room Far Far Away: My 50 Years Editing Hollywood Hits, is essential reading for anyone serious about the craft.
| Film | Year | Director |
|---|---|---|
| Star Wars (Academy Award) | 1977 | George Lucas |
| The Empire Strikes Back | 1980 | Irvin Kershner |
| Carrie | 1976 | Brian De Palma |
| Ferris Bueller's Day Off | 1986 | John Hughes |
| Mission: Impossible | 1996 | Brian De Palma |
| Planes, Trains and Automobiles | 1987 | John Hughes |
| Footloose | 1984 | Herbert Ross |
| Steel Magnolias | 1989 | Herbert Ross |
| Ray | 2004 | Taylor Hackford |
| Falling Down | 1993 | Joel Schumacher |
What Does a Film Editor Actually Do?
When asked to define his craft, Hirsch quoted a conversation with Robert Redford — who, unknowingly, described editing with perfect clarity:
"What we need to do is take this raw film, these shots, and try to find the best parts of each one. Then put them in the right order and get them to be the right length. And I think that's what editing is."
Simple in theory. Brutally difficult in practice. Hirsch frames editing as far more intuitive than technical: "Very little of editing is technical. It has to do more with intuition than analysis and understanding some set of rules."
The Two Rules That Govern Great Editing
His late colleague Don Camber — who edited Easy Rider — distilled the craft into two non-negotiable principles:
- ▪Don't bore the audience
- ▪Don't confuse the audience
"There's a lot of truth in that," Hirsch says. Great editing delivers the emotions the filmmaker intends — excitement, surprise, grief, joy — at precisely the right moment, without the audience ever noticing the invisible hand shaping the experience.
The Problem With Pauses
Hirsch is sharp on the plague of over-deliberate pacing. He describes a television show where every line of dialogue was cushioned by meaningful pauses — reaction, line, hold, cut, reaction, line, hold:
"Pauses are like salt. You don't want to do away with them entirely, but you want to use them sparingly. You have to choose your moments. You can't pause on every cut — it's like putting little lead pellets in every pocket of your clothing. Eventually you sink from the accumulated weight."
The Star Wars Story: How Hirsch Got the Job
Few people know the full behind-the-scenes story of how Star Wars was actually edited. Hirsch was the fourth editor hired on the film.
The original editor was released after principal photography. George Lucas's wife, Marsha Lucas (herself a fine editor with credits on Taxi Driver and Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore), came on to help salvage the first cut alongside West Coast editor Richard Chu. They were racing to get the film presentable when Marsha called Hirsch:
"We need more help. Can you come help us on the film?"
He joined mid-crunch. The three of them worked together for three months to prepare the film for the studio Christmas screening. Hirsch assumed it would end there. But Marsha was pulled to New York, New York by Scorsese, and George made his choice:
"I really only want to work with one editor from now on and I want it to be Paul."
George's advice to the inexperienced Hirsch as he walked into ILM for the first time? "Don't worry about it — nobody ever has [worked on anything this big]. Film is film. You'll be fine."
Did Anyone Know It Would Be a Classic?
No. "There was no sense of working on some epic trilogy. To me, it was the most expensive film I'd ever worked on. There was this walking dog with ammunition on his chest and robots who didn't speak. It was wonderful, but there was no sense of classic."
They worked six days a week — sometimes seven. Hirsch's first daughter was born during the edit. They relocated from San Francisco to LA for the sound mix. He describes it as pure chaos, delivered under pressure.
On Director's Cuts and the Editor's Role
Hirsch is refreshingly direct on director's cuts: he doesn't like them.
"I never want to see a director's cut of anything. I find that the director's cuts I have seen have been disasters."
He cites the extended Apocalypse Now with the French plantation scene ("It just drags the picture down") and a director's cut of The Wild Bunch that left him baffled. His argument is structural:
"I think the discipline imposed by time limits is an aid to creativity. Like doing a painting with no edges — you need limitations. If you can do whatever you want, it leads to mediocrity."
Directors, he argues, can't "murder their darlings." They remember how hard each scene was to achieve, which makes them poor judges of what actually serves the audience.
The Editor-Director Relationship
Hirsch describes his role as that of a generator of suggestions — not an adversary. "Everything I do is by way of suggestion. This is my first take. I'm not always happy with it."
The reason it works is that editors have no power: "Nothing we say is really a threat to an intelligent director." The job is to challenge ideas constructively, so that when the director presents the finished film to the world, they have confidence that their choices have been tested.
"We don't always agree, but it doesn't matter. If you have a healthy working relationship, you're going to disagree and say, well, fine, do it."
On Han Shoots First
When asked directly about the Star Wars Special Edition controversy, Hirsch was unambiguous:
"The first one was right. He got it right the first time. I didn't see anything wrong with it."
Modern Star Wars: What's Missing
Hirsch believes the decline of the franchise comes down to one thing: the loss of George Lucas's humour.
"What's been leached out of the films over the years is George's sense of humour. It's a very funny film and that humour has sort of gone away. They've become very self-serious. That's not good for the movies."
He points to C-3PO as the emotional anchor of the originals — the character who expresses the feelings the heroic characters can't. "Paradoxically, he's the character that audiences connect with in the most human way." And he credits Irvin Kershner on Empire for deliberately developing the Han and Chewie comic duo: "There's a lot of comic stuff in there that's essential for these movies. They can't take themselves too seriously."
Career Advice: The 99/1 Rule
For aspiring editors and anyone trying to break into film, Hirsch has hard-won advice:
"Entry-level work is 99% attitude and 1% aptitude. Nobody cares how brilliant you are — they want to know if you get the lunch there on time."
His networking principle is specific: nurture relationships not with the editor (who won't hire you), but with the assistant editor one rung above you on the ladder. When they get promoted, they'll be asked for recommendations. That's your opening.
And in job interviews: "When they ask you for anything, say yes. Don't allow any hint of hesitation. Get the job first, then work out the details later."
AI, Technology, and the 21st Century
Hirsch describes himself as "an immigrant from the 20th century" — and his concerns about AI are genuine. He references Mo Gawdat (former Chief Business Officer at Google X), who has been vocal about the existential dangers of unregulated AI deployment:
"The danger isn't that the robots are going to take over — which he thinks is inevitable. The danger is what people will do with AI."
He's particularly troubled by the casual release of powerful tools to anyone with internet access: "ChatGPT was put out on the internet — an extremely powerful tool available to everyone, including teenagers who haven't yet formed their prefrontal cortex. A tool is a weapon. A hammer can build a house or murder somebody."
On the economic disruption of automation, he's blunt: the most common profession for non-degree workers in the US is driving. When autonomous vehicles become reliable, millions of truck drivers, delivery workers, and cab drivers lose their livelihood. "What do you do with all those people, and how are you going to supply them with an income?"
Key Takeaways
- ▪Paul Hirsch won the Academy Award for Star Wars (1977) and is one of Hollywood's most decorated film editors, with 40+ feature credits
- ▪He was the fourth editor on Star Wars, joining mid-post-production after Marsha Lucas called for backup
- ▪Great editing, in his words: "Don't bore the audience and don't confuse the audience"
- ▪He opposes director's cuts — believes time constraints force better creative decisions
- ▪On Han Shoots First: the original cut was right
- ▪Entry-level success is 99% attitude — build relationships with people one rung above you, not at the top
- ▪His biggest regret: declining Spielberg's offer to cut Close Encounters of the Third Kind (he was committed to Carrie)
- ▪His AI concern: not the technology itself, but the irresponsibility of making powerful tools universally accessible without safeguards
Frequently Asked Questions
Did Paul Hirsch win an Oscar for Star Wars?
Yes. Paul Hirsch, along with Marcia Lucas and Richard Chew, won the Academy Award for Best Film Editing for Star Wars (1977). He was also the first person to win the Saturn Award for Best Editing, which he won twice — for Star Wars and Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol (2011).
How did Paul Hirsch get involved with Star Wars?
Hirsch was the fourth editor hired on Star Wars. The original editor was released after principal photography. Marcia Lucas (George's wife) and Richard Chew were brought in to repair the first cut, and when they needed more help, Marcia called Hirsch. After Marcia left for New York, New York, George Lucas chose Hirsch as his sole editor for the final five months.
What did Paul Hirsch say about Han shooting first?
Hirsch was unequivocal: "The first one was right. He got it right the first time. I didn't see anything wrong with it." He agrees that the original theatrical cut of Star Wars handled the Mos Eisley scene correctly.
What is Paul Hirsch's advice for aspiring film editors?
His key principles: entry-level work is 99% attitude and 1% aptitude — reliability and willingness matter far more than brilliance at the start. He also advises building relationships with people one rung above you on the career ladder, since they are most likely to recommend you when they are promoted. In any job interview, never hesitate when asked to do something.
What has Paul Hirsch said about AI and technology?
Hirsch has serious concerns about unchecked AI deployment. He references Mo Gawdat (former Google X executive) and argues that the real danger isn't the technology itself — it's putting powerful tools into the hands of anyone without accountability. He compares it to making nuclear weapons universally available and warns about AI's role in election interference and economic disruption through automation.



